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Poster: staylorrr Date: Sep 22, 2005 3:30am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: some thoughts on band websites...

> the www.somebodyscloset.com web site (where the newest version of flash is needed)

For what it's worth, I dropped by this website last week and left as soon as I saw that. I don't mean to rain on your parade, but this is a pain in the butt, and I avoid websites with too much going on. Especially if all I'm after is tour dates, and I'm pointed to another website to get them...

S.T.

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Poster: staylorrr Date: Sep 22, 2005 3:28am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: some thoughts on band websites...

Oh yeah, and another pet peeve is band websites that immediately stream music to my speakers without asking if I want it. When I'm on my computer, I play music constantly and I can't stand it when suddenly my music turns into mush because it's been combined with some auto-stream from a website with too much going on... Keep it simple, and make the junk optional.

2 cents.

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: Sep 22, 2005 9:39pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: some thoughts on band websites...

if all I'm after is tour dates

Heh, speaking of tour dates, I got enough inconvenienced several years ago when one of my favorite bands changed to a too-flashy site, that I figured out the underlying Tour Dates url from their site and put the plain link onto a page I maintain. Wouldn't want to miss an upcoming show through avoidance of their site! They've since gone to a much nicer, balanced redesign.

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Poster: Somebody's Closet Date: Sep 23, 2005 1:27am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: some thoughts on band websites...

I 'm not going to sit here and argue, so thank for the feedback.

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Poster: Somebody's Closet Date: Sep 22, 2005 5:18pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: some thoughts on band websites...

Well, you're not really pointed to another website for tour dates. If you want tour dates, you can proceed. If you have dial up... yeah, you are. I don't see anything wrong with that. I give what is needed. As for music starting before you don't want it... that's part of the animation. Many sites use it and I feel that you might have to get used to it. I'm sorry you feel that way about my site, but out of the 300 hits a day we get, I get tons of compliments, and hardly no 'bad newsers'. Thanks for the feedback, though. I respect everybody's opinions, but I need to appeal to the more of the artsy crowd: the people that want to see something new... not the same HTML site everybody else has.

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Poster: staylorrr Date: Sep 23, 2005 2:38am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: some thoughts on band websites...

> I don't see anything wrong with that.

There's nothing wrong with anything you do. Hey, it's your job and if the band is happy then you're doing a good job - I just figured part of your job is attracting fans for the band (that's what most web designers try to do), and wanted you to know that the homepage did the opposite for me. Just 1 opinion though, although greenone sounds like he may agree.

> Many sites use it [stream music as soon as you get there] and I feel that you might have to get used to it.

Not really, it's not exactly tough to avoid those websites. When you find one that gets on your nerves, it's not difficult to remember which ones they are and never return. Imagine being at work and the guy next to you suddenly has music blaring out of his speakers and you hear him saying "shoot! where's the volume on this darn thing!" you know you aren't the only one who's annoyed by that stuff. Or imagine being at home listening to a sick jam, Jerry is just ripping away and that's all your paying attention to when he is SUDDENLY COMBINED WITH LOW BITRATE STREAMING A__blahblah__U__blahblah__D__blahblah__I__blahblah__O!!!*!*!*!*!! OH NO!! ARGH!

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Poster: greenone Date: Sep 23, 2005 12:30am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: some thoughts on band websites...

Well, you're not really pointed to another website for tour dates. If you want tour dates, you can proceed. If you have dial up... yeah, you are.

So you admit that you're deliberately inconveniencing what you acknowledge is an "abundance of fans [...] still using dial-up"? How is sending fans to Jambase promoting your band better than having them stay on your site? Jambase is cool and all, but information there is often incomplete at best and incorrect at worst. Don't you want your site to be 'sticky', i.e. people come there and stay there? If the first thing I see on a web site is four out of seven links that send me to other sites, that tells me someone's not really all that invested in me sticking around.

I go to band's web sites for the information they contain, not because they're artsy or cool or have (and require) the latest bells and whistles. It's about the band, not about the designer. I could understand if it were a web site for an art museum, or a web design company, but if you're turning away fans at the very first page, that's not a good thing.

As for music starting before you don't want it... that's part of the animation. Many sites use it and I feel that you might have to get used to it. I'm sorry you feel that way about my site, but out of the 300 hits a day we get, I get tons of compliments, and hardly no 'bad newsers'.

I very, very rarely give bad feedback on a site. I just stop using it altogether. People who dislike a site's design just aren't going to give feedback unless they have no other choice - i.e. if they're an enormous fan of the band, or if like someone else mentioned, they need a more accessible site because of a disability. There are bands that I'm fans of whose sites I *never* visit because they're obnoxious and crash my browser. Web surfers are lazy people, and if they can't figure something out in five seconds, their time is wasted and off they go somewhere else. So instead of signing up for a newsletter that might tell me when the band is coming to town, or that there's new merch or a new CD available, I have to find out somewhere else, or realize that I missed a show. Or worse, I never find out at all, and forget about them or lose interest completely.

I need to appeal to the more of the artsy crowd: the people that want to see something new... not the same HTML site everybody else has.

Why is this? I'm not antagonizing here, I'm genuinely curious - do you feel like the band's music, news and other information isn't enough to stand on its own, that it needs a cutting-edge web site to convince people they should stick around and become fans? There are ways of having interesting content that don't involve end users jumping through hoops just to SEE the content in the first place, in my opinion.